I still have no clue what you are talking about James.
I don't understand the first part. I didn't use either banned terms once, and I believe I demonstrated that many concepts actually can be discussed by talking about the issues and scriptures involved, not just focusing on distacting loaded terms and phrases.
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, Tony. What I'm saying is, I don't understand why you think this can't be discussed - Quote WW - "James, that's one of the things that can't be really discussed." The point of what I said is that I believe it certainly can be discussed without using and getting locked in on certain phrases and terms, and I stated that I believed I had demonstrated that to be the case with my own post.
Let me say 3 things.
a] If any of my posted used wrong wording hit the delete button.
b] Using a synonym for a word is still the same. "James you are a thief." "James you steal." Does one sound better or worse.
I did already forget the third thing I wanted to say. No worries. Enough things to chat about
Am I talking pig-latin again?
know what I mean!
Alright, I'll try one more time, then maybe you're right, there's other stuff to talk about. :)
I said this:
"Can I make an observation as a member here and not a mod? (I'll go by the rules )
If we assumed, just for the sake of reasoning things through, that humans TOTALLY get their own way in this lifetime, that it's TOTALLY up to us to make ALL the right decisions - that we not only plan our way but ALSO direct our own steps -that all our choices are TOTALLY within our own power and without ANY set limitations....
Then, when we stand before God, our deeds are judged, and we're found wanting - would that really mean;
that any works of ours that are wood, hay, stubble, won't be burned;
that we won't be saved as by fire;
that God is unable or unwilling that none (the person, the spirit) should perish;
that every knee won't bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Master - IN the Holy Spirit;
that even though He was lifted up, He won't indeed draw everyone to Himself;
that even as in Adam all died, in Christ will all be made alive;
that 'destruction' of the flesh will not be a part of the spirit being saved;
that those who chose the broad way still won't "enter in" through the way of destruction;
that God really doesn't work all things according to the counsel of his will (THELEMA = INTENT);
that the "kings of the earth" (the saints) really won't be bringing their treasures into the city that has gates open day and night;
that all nations of the earth won't be blessed;
that when God's judgment is upon the earth the people will learn righteousness;
that every tongue will praise the Lord;
that God won't be All in All (NOT ALL IN SOME);
that there will not be a restitution of all things? Acts 3:21 ;
that absolutely ALL of the following 600 scriptures that speak of the ultimate redemption of all of God's creation will not, cannot come to pass - because humans were able to foil God's ultimate intentions?"
You said this;
"James, that's one of the things that can't be really discussed."
"I don't understand the first part [meaning you saying "that's one of the things that can't be really discussed
"]. [Then I went on to explain that I just did
discuss it, without ever saying free will or sovereignty
by saying] .... "I believe I demonstrated that many concepts actually can be discussed by talking about the issues and scriptures involved, not just focusing on distacting loaded terms and phrases."
I wasn't asking you to change anything in your post. I was attempting to make the point that we can discuss scripture til we're blue in the face without ever locking into a definition battle. Or if we can't, then maybe we really do need to move on to other issues. How about this? Theo - if there's truly a stumbling block here with you regarding this topic and your being able to fully accept UR, would you like a private "speak to the mods" thread? You could even pick a couple of people you'd like to join the private discussion. That way we'd keep it off the boards as far as turning it into a free for all food fight that could be injurious to a "little one" passing by, while still talking very frankly and openly about a discouraged/banned topic. In other words, we can fight like cats and dogs behind closed doors as long as nobody hears us. Just kidding.
It's something to consider, and would certainly be keeping within guidelines. If it's a bad idea, then it wouldn't be my first and likely won't be my last.
(I really am trying here guys - trying to stick with board expectations, while still hoping we can do what helps each other.)
And one more time in summary - the point of my original post was, isn't it true that WHICHEVER and HOW MUCH of either way one believes it happens in this lifetime, does that negate any of how God says it's ultimately going to turn out?
Alright, maybe I can get out of this now (