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reFORMer:
One Sunday Marion and myself were up and ready but just didn't feel like meeting with those at a little country Church we have a habit of attending.  I had a vision of a waterfall with alternating straight and braiding streams falling over an artificially straight edge.  A family from there called us and asked if we wanted to go to a park some miles from here for a picnic, rather than our usual.  When we got there, right next to the road, there was the waterfall I had seen.

The father of that family a few days ago at his house explained how so many of the people worldwide who believe in Jesus do so because of missionaries who went out preaching the gospel because they didn't want the people to go to hell.  This was presented as a "proof," or at least something good regarding permanent ceaseless torture.

Any good answers to this idea?

WhiteWings:
Salvation depends on the traveling budget of preachers?

The fact that many (preachers) believe people are saved from hell by Christian teachings is no proof God agrees with that.

"For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." -- Luke 12:48
Romans 5:13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

Those two verses combined teach that teaching the Gospel is the most cruel thing that can be done, if ET is true.
Before the missionaries arrived those people didn't know the law so it wasn't used against them. They knew nothing so nothing was required of them.
But as soon the preacher opened his mouth that changed. By listening most became predestined to hell.

lomarah:
Here's what I got out of your dream: the artificial straight edge speaks to me of a manmade doctrine rather than the true organic Spirit filled Word. Nevertheless, some living water gets to flow from it anyhow since if you take away the artificial edge there is still the organic underneath. (Christ is Lord, hence the "results".) I'm not sure about the water being straight and braided.

As for results, how many who believe in hell doctrine produce the fruit of the Spirit and are filled with the love that Jesus said people would know us by? I know very, very few. It is hard to be something different than what you worship.

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: lomarah on September 12, 2012, 10:47:41 AM ---Here's what I got out of your dream: the artificial straight edge speaks to me of a manmade doctrine rather than the true organic Spirit filled Word.
--- End quote ---
Or just the opposite :-)
God's word/teaching is  a straight line. It never changes.
Mademade stuff flows in every direction (many denominations)
It moves like a snake over a pole.

lomarah:
But look at what reFORMer said about it - artificial. To me that speaks of something manmade.
 
I also thought of what the straight vs braided waters could mean: if by braided you meant that it is flowing in a stream as though the artificial straight edge wasn't there then that could signify those who first hear the Word under the guise of eternal hellfire but through their relationship with Christ and the Father come to the knowledge of the truth. Thus, even though they came to their relationship with Christ under an artificial doctrine, they chose to learn by the Spirit so their stream now flows without the manmade doctrine underneath. Of course this all relies on my initial interpretation being correct lol.

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