The Lord's work in the province of Quebec, Canada

[Quaesitor]

Hey guys,

Just to share some news about the Lord's work here in the french part of Canada.

Christianity here is nothing like that of the US, most 40-50ers were born into the strict catholic church where women were forced to have kids till they die and not tithing was worthy of excomuniation.

There are some evangelicals here and there but it's a fragile thing with maybe 10 000 followers across various churches and denominations.

There is, however, a strong feeling in most of evangelicals that an awakening is coming; young quebecers are yearning for the spiritual and for something more and people as a whole are feeling less anger toward the catholic church as time passes by.

God has put a great burden on my heart for His people here in Quebec and He has called me to be a preacher of His Word.

Since being revealed the Glorious Hope of salvation for all, this yearning has become stronger everyday so that even if I try to stay in the shadows and keep it secret, I cannot help but tell to everyone I meet about it and the general response is great. Young christians seem ready to get more of God's grace and less vengeance. We are born into a society of tolerance without Truth. Our churches taught us about Truth without tolerance. Young christians know inside them that God is Truth AND tolerance because God is love.
So I've started a website(in my signature) in french, I've found UR believers on Facebook, one in particular is called Donald Finnie and he's a long-time friend of my father, he saw me when I was a baby. He already made, in his youth, a lot of videos and translations of various articles in french. He's now old and sick and had abandonned all hope of seeing God awaken the province of Quebec but God answered his prayers when he revealed this truth to me and Donald has now a new energy to share and work again.

Donald has shared with me some contacts he has, most of them have been declared false teachers by their own communities and went into private mode but they all share the same Hope!

So please, pray for the province of Quebec that God may use our little and weak people to reach the whole francophone world with the Glorious Hope!

Thanks

[Cardinal]

  PTL! He is really starting to strengthen the net to contain the final harvest, isn't He? That's wonderful that His other servant is going to see fruit now with your help. For such a time as this, amen?

Love Quebec; my ancestors moved from there in the 1700's. Have been there once in my life. Blessings....

[lomarah]

Very cool! 
Now if I could only find some UR believers down here in Nova Scotia!

[Quaesitor]

I'm sure there are, show yourself and they'll get out of their hiding holes. 

At least that's how it started with me.

[lomarah]

Haha! The only problem is it's so scary to "show yourself", people are so judgmental and cruel about this stuff. (I know this from experience... i'm now scared to tell any "Christian" I am a believer in UR...) :S

[Cardinal]

  Then don't tell them. I would give anything if I had it on tape (so I could see how He did it), but in a bible study one night, He took me thru scripture after scripture with them and when He was done, one lady looked startled and said, "Well......then that means there's no rapture!"

I hadn't said a word about the rapture, didn't even go to the scriptures that talk about "it" supposedly, yet He came like a thief in their night and took the false away and left them looking at the genuine. I don't know who was more astonished at the turn of events, them or me, the "unwitting accomplice" to the "theft", LOL......

Just BE who He is in you, listen for his nudges, and the rest will take of itself. Blessings....

[Quaesitor]

True, true.
In fact I didn't show myself but participated in theological discussions on facebook and just told the Truth. Those believing the Truth showed themselves by approving or supporting the truth.
Others ignored it or changed subject.
It's something I constantly have to be reminded by the Lord, it is not I, it is Him doing it.

[lomarah]

  Oh so true. :) 
Cardinal that would've been so awesome to see!

The problem i'm having right now is that we just moved back into my hometown where all my family are. My immediate family (Mom, Dad and step-Mom, 2 brothers and 2 step sisters) are not orthodox "Christians".  However my best friend, Grandmother, two of my Aunts, one uncle and a bunch of cousins are... up until last year I was too... it's so hard to try and dodge the "why aren't you going to church?" questions... I know that they are judging me big time for not going to church or bringing my daughter and it's so hard. I understand that they are just concerned about our "salvation" but it's still very hurtful to know that I am being judged by the very same people who once loved and adored me. (Just one of the major reasons that I am so opposed to churchianity: all of the judging that goes on!) On a higher note my non-orthodox Christian family and I are becoming closer since they know that I am not judging them or having a "holier than thou" spirit anymore (praise God for that!!). I have had great talks with my Dad and step-Mother and i'm very thankful for that. And my husband and I had a great talk last night which is great. He apologized (again) for his initial reaction to my "conversion" to UR beliefs. I told him that all is forgiven and that I understand why he reacted so hostile since I used to believe the same things as he does and a few years back I probably would've reacted the same.     

[onlytruth]

Hi lomorah...it just goes to show, who God is calling us to right now!
blessings

[Cardinal]

  Sounds like He's already being lifted up in you to draw all of them to Him. This is where you just praise Him thru the hostility, ect., because it just means the spirit in them is raging, knowing it's time is short (because they are seeing HIM in you).

It really does work that way.....my X went wild on me one day as I was taking the kids to church, told me he was divorcing me, ect., only two weeks after I got saved. The Lord had to be on me so strong, because I was late getting out to the car where my mother was waiting on me, and I told her what all he had said and done, and I was totally filled with joy, which puzzled her. I KNOW it was the Lord that spoke out of me what I shared above. Sure enough, two weeks later, he was saved. Blessings....

[lomarah]

Awesome!

Just a question Cardinal, you talk about being saved, I am wondering what you think about salvation. My views on salvation have changed quite a bit in the past year (basically I don't regard salvation as being saved from hell anymore). You seem so in tune spiritually, I love reading your posts and I would really like to hear what you have to say on this subject. (We can start a new thread if necessary lol)

PS Whatever is going on with you today I have been praying for you!

[Cardinal]

  My views on it changed dramatically too.....I'm going to be gone the biggest part of the next two days, but I'll try to find my way back to this......

[lomarah]

Okay thanks! 

[Nathan]

Even now I sense another evolving on the idea of being saved even for the UR followers.  In a good way of course.  What I'm seeing lately is a more difinitive distinction between salvation and "redemption".  I no longer see the whole world as being "saved".  But I do see the whole world has been redeemed.

Perhaps it may be something to help bridge some of the gaps between ET and UR beleiving people.  I don't know.  But I do know that there is still a great necessity for inviting Christ in our hearts, it's just that it's not so we can go to heaven or not go to hell.  Redemption at the cross took care of my final destination.  Submitting to the cross brings me to my destiny here on earth. 

When the spirit came with great conviction on the crowd Peter was speaking to in Acts, they asked what they needed to do to be saved.  Peter didn't tell them "don't worry about it, you're already going to heaven".  What he "did" say was "repent".  Which simply means to turn your thinking around.  Stop going in the direction you're going.

That's really the only "rule" I see we need to still follow . . other than of course love God and love your neighbor . . .but even then, "as" God grows in us, those things will manifest in us anyway.  But I think many of the ET people out there think that we belittle the importance of asking Christ into one's heart.  And as far as I can see, that couldn't be further from the truth.  Christ is STILL the center piece of our lives.  It's just that it's not based on fear of God being sadistic with us should our limited minds reject the image some church has projected in us.

Redemption  . . . whole world regardless of what our minds accept or reject.
Salvation . . . personal experience of the enablement to see the principles of the kingdom on an individual basis by way of inviting Christ into our lives.

[lomarah]

That is very interesting Nathan. Could you define redeemed for me? Like what do you see humanity as being redeemed from and do you believe even though all of humanity is redeemed that we must all be saved as well? Thanks!

[Quaesitor]

Redemption at the cross took care of my final destination.  Submitting to the cross brings me to my destiny here on earth.

Strong and simple definitions here!
Thanks Nathan!

[Nathan]

I see humanity being redeemed "from" the curse of separation back to the father.  I believe the separation came the moment Adam recieved the fruit from Eve.  I don't think the fruit was what brought on the problem.  If it was, Eve would have been affected immediately, but she wasn't.  It wasn't until after Adam ate that they both became aware of their nakedness simultaneously.  She represents your soul, he represents your spirit.

God created our spirit to have dominion, to have authority over our soul, but Adam reversed that by receiving the fruit from Eve. 

And no, for me, being saved is not a requirement of being redeemed.  Being saved is a great necessity if we expect to hear from God, see his purpose in our life, reproduce his nature in others, reflect his nature in our own lives, have unimaginable peace in this life regardless of the hell we experience.  If you want to have any relationship at all with the Father, you can only experience that by personal invitation to his Son.  But as far as final destination goes . .. that's a done deal with no input, intervention, assistance from man . . .thank God!!

[eaglesway]

If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved(sozo- delivered, made whole,protected), yet so as through fire.
(1Co 3:15)

I agree, the whole creation has been "redeemed"(purchased) by the blood of Jesus


For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. (Col 1:19-20)

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation(conciliatory offering) for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. (1Jn 2:1-2)

As in Adam all die so also in Christ shall all be made alive- but each in His own order.

For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. (Rom 8:19-21)


He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. 
(Eph 1:9-10)

The whole creation was redeemed(purchased) by a propitiation(conciliatory offering-the blood of the cross) that secured the reconcilation of all things, and the whole creation is being "saved"(delivered, healed, made whole) into it in an administration suitable to the fulness of times(each in its own order) through the gathering into one of all things in Christ - that God may be all in all.

Behold, I am making all things new!

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
(Rev 5:13)

[jabcat]

Good posts Nathan and John.  Amen.